As St. George’s Day is celebrated across Manchester and beyond today, inevitable comparisons will be made to its Irish counterpart, St. Patrick’s Day.
MM explores whether one set of patriots appear more passionate about their flagship day or whether the two national celebrations can co-exist and prosper together.
According to legend, one drove all the snakes from his country and one heroically slayed a dragon and rescued the princess.
One is St. Patrick, patron saint of Ireland, and the other is England’s patron saint, St. George.
There are definite similarities to be drawn between the two, and indeed between their respective nations, but there can be no doubt that the Irish national day is the more eagerly celebrated event worldwide.
Manchester certainly embraces the two days and both national festivals and parades aim to bring the city together and provide Mancunians with an event where different national identities are celebrated.
However, St. Patrick’s Day on March 17 is traditionally bigger in Manchester than St. George’s Day celebrations on April 23.
Why is this, however? Are the Irish more passionate about their cultural background than the English? Are the English too nonchalant when it comes to expressing their patriotism?
In March, MM took to the streets of Manchester to ask whether or not St. Patrick’s Day is taken more seriously here than its English counterpart.
80% of the people we spoke to agreed that there is a difference in attitudes towards the two events and believed that Irish exiles hold a greater sense of importance in terms of national identity.
Jack Bradshaw, 62, from Rusholme, is the organiser of this weekend’s St. George’s Day Festival and he admits there is a notable difference in the scale of the respective celebrations in Manchester.
“We’re not in the same league. They’re Premier League and we’re Championship.
“I think it’s a culture thing and as a country we’re very laid back where England is concerned.
“We need to maintain our identity to ensure we’re not forgotten,” he said.
The St. George’s Day Festival 2012 launched on Friday to an empty Albert Square and although the heavy rain undoubtedly played its part, the Manchester Irish Festival was undeniably bigger this year than its English friend.
The Manchester Irish Festival, which ran from March 2 – 18, featured iconic Irish musicians, The Dubliners, and eccentric songbird Sinead O’Connor.
It was endorsed by Irish Prime Minister, Enda Kenny, as the biggest celebration of its kind in Europe outside of the Emerald Isle.
Speaking of the annual St. Patrick’s Day parade in Manchester, organiser Brian Kennedy claimed the friendly atmosphere is always embraced by Mancunian revellers.
“It is a great free day out for all the family and everyone in Manchester wears something green and puts a smile on their face.”
Mr Bradshaw echoed the importance of making the celebrations a community event and accessible to people of different ages and cultural backgrounds.
He said: “We don’t throw it down people’s throats but we want people to come together as a community.
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Everyone has their own religion, their own culture and their own national identity and we support that.”
Joanne McNamara, 66, is originally from Eccles but is of Irish descent. Her parents moved from Co. Kilkenny in 1942 and she considers herself half-Irish and half-English.
She regularly attends both celebrations and enjoys both equally.
“I do think that St. Patrick’s Day is celebrated more than St. George’s day in Manchester for whatever reason.
There’s an idea that the Irish know how to enjoy themselves and I think that’s something that most of us either can relate to or want to be a part of,” she said.
Mrs McNamara has noticed a difference in attitudes towards both events but dismisses the idea that St. George’s Day might be considered of less importance in Manchester than St. Patrick’s Day.
“I see no reason why both celebrations can’t exist and prosper together,” she added.
What Manchester is saying about it:
Aubrey Wilson, Financial Advisor, 27, Prestwich.
“Manchester’s diverse cultural range means St. George’s Day goes by largely unnoticed”
Rachel Leonard, Office clerk, 28, Fallowfield.
“The Irish seem to be more passionate about their culture than the English.”
Brendan Davies, 41, Banker, Sale.
“I think it’s great to see people embracing their culture and their national identity and I wish St. George’s Day was as big.”
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I don't think anyone's
I don't think anyone's competing but it seems there are very few English people who were even aware of today.
I'm not sure I'd agree it a competition to be more serious?
Surely these are celebrations of identity & culture? You don't need to be Chinese to enjoy their New Year spectacle, Gay to enjoy Mardi Gras etc Certainly the Irish Festival is larger than the current St George Festival but that, at least in part is due to being established having run for 16 years vs the St George's that's only run for 3. The St George's Parade in Manchester is one of the largest in the country. If there is a difference, perhaps, it is in part, because for 200 years, the English have had contact with so many communities that the resultant culture & heritage has become more of a fusion of influences from all over the world. Lea & Perrins Worcestershire Sauce is primarily indian spices, Tea is hardly a locally grown crop yet typically English with the most commonly eaten foods being Pizza, Tikka Massala & Kebabs. Perhaps the lessening of the identity issue is also that the mixture of cultures extends to people, I'm English by birth, yet go back 3 generations & only 1 great grandparent of 8 was actually born in England yet if you were to pick an English Asian or one of the Irish community the I'd expect that you could go 5 or six generations back & they would all be from the same country perhaps even the same community. I think it is important that all these celebrations are seen as an opportunity for people from all communities to mix & enjoy others traditions that they may not have sampled rather than seen as either a competition as to who has the 'bigger' or 'better' one or, even worse, as divisive between communities that can happily co-exist within the wider Mancunian Community.
I think you'll find that
I think you'll find that Irish people living here are "expats" rather than "exiles"! Although we're not ex-Paddies
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